(Dr. Wesley Muhammad,
PhD - Shaka's comments in green)
Shaka Ndugu Kmt and the Pathetic State of Afrocentric Internet
Shaka Ndugu Kmt is still making those silly
videos? Evidently, he has a new one:
(link no longer valid since my account was deleted because of
systematic flagging from Asiatic Black Men)
Ok. I understand that he has a Jones for me,
a symptom of the homosexualization/feminization of the current
Little homie Wesley (by
the way, you called me "silly" more than once and I'm
not tripping so I'm sure you won't mind) I don't know what "Afrocentric
movement" you are talking about but I take this opportunity
to inform you that I deal with Afrikan
Truth which is for brothers and sisters only (unlike to the
Nation of Islam who have white members)
who are strictly heterosexual.
You could be asked about a fellow Doctor,
who is said to be part of your "crew", regarding
of homosexuality but you don't even
know that there are Caucasian (i.e. white Americans) registered
members in your former Black organization, even though your leader,
teacher and guide has said it during an interview which was filmed
and of course broadcasted. But so far you are the one describing
another man as "hyper masculine", do
you remember ?
"I have seen Bro. Seti in live, formal debate. I discovered
that there are actually two "Seti's" the You Tube character
Seti - the loud mouth who aims at 'shock value' through the things
he says and the way he says them. This is the 'Hollywood' Seti
that panders to his You Tube following. But there is actually
a more reasonable Seti that shows up at debates. He still brings
some of that loud mouth, hyper masculine Seti, but it is tamed
a bit by his attempt to show himself a 'scholar' in the debate.
Make no mistake about it: bro. Set is actually good. I am not
validating him: he is already validated in a large segment of
the community. We who love Islam cannot ignore him. There is no
question in my mind that Bro. Seti is much more worthy of the
engagement than the particular individuals those over here on
this site that I said I would not waste my time on."
So you better check yourself...
It is unfortunate that he is in France. He is the one “Youtube
banger” that I would actually debate. If anyone wants to
collect a donation to bring Brother to the states, I am putting
it out now that I would love to have a formal, public discussion
with him on the African origin of Islam. In the meantime, this
video (like the others) demonstrates how forced and dubious his
arguments are and it demonstrates that the current Afrocentric
Internet movement is dead before it ever got started. I will,
simply to illustrate the point, actually outline his fallacies.
1.] Firstly, Shaka claims that my position is based only two statements
from THEM. Actually, it is based on numerous literary and pictorial
statements, all of which are compiled here:
“ THEM on Prophet Muhammad”
Now, I would advise that people here actually
Knowledge before you Wisdom: read this before contributing your
opinion to this discussion. For Shaka to try to pigeonhole 25
pages of documentation down to two statements shows his lack of
During your debate with Tahuti, you have
put the "notorious" Elijah Muhammad quote on the screen
"The Muhammad that was here 1400 years ago was a white man..."
(The Theology of Time p.3) and you proceeded to read 3 quotes
1) [...] "Muhammad
was a member of the Black Nation [...]"
2) [...] "both the Arab Prophet Muhammad and Jesus were dark
men, and brothers of the darker Nation [...]"
3) [...] "Muhammad, an Arab, was a member of the black nation."
Everybody will notice that the
first and last quotes are quite similar, the only difference is
that "an Arab" is not in the third quote. So in my video,
that you also qualified as silly but still found necessary to
address, I've put the 1st and 2nd quotes.
Afterwards you admitted "we don't know what the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad meant" and did some speculative acrobatics
that I won't dwell on for obvious reasons but if Elijah Muhammad
spoke Arabic feel free to let us know, nevertheless it looks to
me like some picking and choosing to argue that THEM might have
meant "white" in the "classical Arabic" sense
(way) because he used that same ENGLISH word as follow:
" The white man has made the black man lazy [...]" This
is one of the 147 times that "white man" was used in
Message to the Black Man (I did not count myself of course, that's
the result of an electronic query) and unless you can demonstrate
otherwise, it always referred to Caucasians. You carried on about
Elijah Muhammad's quotes by saying "But we know that, his
two statements [...]", so even yourself Dr. Wesley Muhammad
seem to have been thinking the same way I did on this particular
point, you did not mention "25 pages of documentation".
I went in chronological order but if you need further help I was
referring to the part of the debate just before you threw the
microphone on the floor...
No lack of integrity on my part, I understand that you are trying
to catch up with me after I showed & prove that you
willingly and publicly lied before.
Oh, by the way, I did not read your 25 pages of documentation,
I could take you more seriously if you would acknowledge that
video of you lying (who knows, you might call it a mistake, maybe
you have trouble reading your own slides) or more importantly
what I will outline underneath.
2.] Now, Shaka cites 4 quotes from THEM, including
one outrageous misquote, as evidence that I, Wesley Muhammad,
contradict THEM. Before I demonstrate the futility of this endeavor,
I want to make a broader point.
I have documented empirically that Muhammad, the Arab prophet
of 7th century Mecca, was a black-skinned Arab, as were his tribal
clan, the Banu Hashim, and the larger tribe the Banu Quraysh.
I have documented this in several books and papers. The most easily
accessible is the following:
“ Anyone who says that the Prophet is black
should be killed”: The De-Arabization of Islam and the Transfiguration
of Muhammad in Islamic Tradition
Again, Knowledge before you Wisdom. I will respond only to questions
related to this material that derive from a reading of the material.
Now, the general consensus of the true Afrocentrist
scholars – J A Rodgers, George Parker Wells, Cheik Anta
Diop, Dr Ben, Mamadou Chinyelu, Runoko Rashidi, Wayne Chandler,
and Dana Marniche – is that Muhammad was a Black Arab, in
agreement with my researchers. The irony is, however, my enemies
from among the new generation of ‘Afrocentrists’ reject
the learned opinion of those scholars and cling to what they ‘think’
THEM taught on the matter, YET THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN HIM!
Even if THEM did teach what they claim, why would they privilege
the claims of a religious leader whose Teachings they otherwise
find to be false, over the consensus of their own learned scholars?
Ask Shaka why he privileges Elijah Muhammad’s alleged position
on the matter – Muhammad was a Caucasian white man –
over the position of his own respected Afrocentric scholars J
A Rodgers, George Parker Wells, Cheik Anta Diop, Dr Ben, Mamadou
Chinyelu, Runoko Rashidi, Wayne Chandler, and Dana Marniche that
Muhammad was an Afrabian, a Black (African) Arab? This demonstrates
that his whole polemic against me is not about scholarship. It
is about his ideological hate for Islam on behalf of which he
would even reject the learned judgment of his own scholars in
favor of the religious claim of the paramount Muslim, THEM.
How could J A Rodgers, George
Parker Wells, Mamadou
Chinyelu, Runoko Rashidi, Wayne Chandler, and Dana Marniche be
my "own respected Afrocentric scholars" when I have
yet to read one of their books? It appears that you consider me
to be an "Afrocentrist scholar" and therefore
I'm supposed to be in agreement with "Afrocentric
scholars" but let me remind you that scholars do not necessarily
behave as a monolithic group when it comes to History and ideologies,
we are all aware that you are part of a religious organization
where all the "believers" have the same belief but you
need to make the distinction.
I mentioned your vocabulary several times in the past, but I am
now surprised that it seems to be the one of an extremist:
"This demonstrates that his whole
polemic against me is not about scholarship.
It is about his ideological hate for Islam
Nothing against you, nothing personal, it's about scholarship
(your claims & statements).
Have you forgotten that you said "Throw Kemet in
the garbage can" "throw Maat in the trash can, throw
Amen-Ra the slave making god away!" ? That's the
main reason why I checked you in the first place.
You did not say that you "hate" Kemet
and Maat, as a matter of fact not only you said "I'm a Kemetologist"
you stated “I love Kemet” “I love Maat”.
So how could you say "Throw Kemet in the garbage can"
"throw Maat in the trash can" and you "love"
yet I address you, your claims and "contradiction"
with Elijah Muhammad's statement and I "hate"
Islam ? I do scholarship, if you do crusades I will leave
you to it (do you need back up?). When you said "Islam
for over a thousand years has been an enemy to Black people in
Africa" was that "hate" or "love"
When you said "today in 2010, Islam remains a tool
of white supremacy" was
that "hate" or "love" ? This
is one of the greatest example of double standard I have ever
witnessed, you should apologies to me for making such an irresponsible
statement that (allegedly) have an
"ideological hate for Islam".
You might be too proud to apologize, maybe you will have the "integrity"
to at least say that you were wrong for writing that.
Here is definitely an opportunity
to manifest your integrity; regarding your statement "throw
Amen-Ra the slave making god away" you have claimed publicly
(radio show) :
“but I said, I concluded that with “Amen-Ra
is not a slave god”
"I said that Amen-Ra should not be held accountable for Tutankhamun's
mischievious activities in Nubia". It's just that I missed
that when I watched the DVD "Black Arabia (Kusha Dwipa)
and the African Origins of Islam". I heard you say
"I make no apologies" afterwards but not the aforementioned
so can you show & prove what you said ? Can you substantiate
your claim ?
Can you back up your statement so that it can no longer be an
allegation but a fact ?
It is on that same DVD "Black Arabia (Kusha Dwipa)"
that you said "throw Amen-Ra the slave making god away!"
so why don't you tell us when (where in the lecture) you said
that “Amen-Ra is not a slave god” and
that "Amen-Ra should not be held accountable for Tutankhamun's
mischievous activities in Nubia" ? What minute was it ? Once
again, I wrote that I missed that part, I'm not saying you didn't
say it, I'm just waiting...
Now, in terms of the three statements which Shaka
correctly quotes from THEM, they are all true and consistent with
the empirical data I have documented. However, I will address
his gross misquotation first.
Misquote – Here, Shaka shows why he should absolutely not
be taken serious. He claims THEM made the following statement:
“ That is the white race, they are Arabic people.”
He thinks he is proving with this alleged quote
that THEM taught that Arab people are really white (Caucasian)
people, and thus Prophet Muhammad and the original Ummah were
Caucasian. But when you go to the link and listen to THEM’s
word’s, he clearly DID NOT say that. He says the following:
“For two-thousand years the white race was in the caves
and hillsides of what is now called Europe. And he made no history
in those days. While he was there he was punished for starting
trouble among the people of Islam in the Holy land. He’s
the one that is referred to as Adam that was driven from the Garden
of Paradise. That is the white race. They are the ADAMIC PEOPLE.”
“ Adamic people,” Shaka, not “Arabic people.”
THEM makes the same point in MTTBM:
“ According to the Bible (Gen. 3:20-24), Adam and his wife
were the first parents of all people (white race only) and the
first sinners. According to the Word of Allah, he was driven from
the Garden of Paradise into the hills and caves of West Asia,
or as they now call it, "Europe," to live his evil life
in the West and not in the Holy Land of the East. "Therefore,
the Lord God sent him (Adam) forth from the Garden of Eden, to
till the ground from when he was taken. So He drove out the man;
and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden cherubims (Muslim
guards) and a flaming sword which turned every way to keep the
devils out of the way of the tree of life (the nation of Islam)."
The sword of Islam prevented the ADAMIC RACE from crossing the
border of Europe and Asia to make trouble among the Muslims for
2,000 years after they were driven out of the Holy Land and away
from the people, for their mischief-making, lying and disturbing
the peace of the righteous nation of Islam.”
Again, THEM is calling the Caucasian race “Adamic,”
not “Arabic”. Shaka twisted THEM’s words in
a desperate attempt to put me against THEM. Shame on him and on
all of you who defer to his ‘scholarship’. This is
only the latest example of his twisting words in order to force
his dubious claims upon his viewers: he has blatantly twisted
mine on numerous occasions.
I addressed your claim
against mine here. (link no longer valid since my account
was deleted because of systematic flagging from Asiatic Black
Out of 5 comments as of today (August 14, 2011) 4 of them say
that Elijah Muhammad said "Arabic" (not "Adamic"),
it's up to people to listen for themselves and tell us what they
Quote 1 -Shaka quotes the following statement from the Muhammad
“ The Old Islam was led by white people, white Muslims,
but this one will not be. This Islam (The New Islam) will be established
and led by Black Muslims only.”
Presumably, poor Shaka thinks that THEM is here claiming that
Prophet Muhammad and the original Ummah were “white people,
white Muslims,” i.e. Caucasians. This is yet another example
of why his ‘scholarship’ is so pathetic: his cant
read, or read carefully. Please note that THEM said that the New
Islam will be “established AND led by Black Muslims only,”
while he only says of the Old Islam that it “was led by
white people, white Muslims.” I have demonstrated that while
Caucasian/white-skinned Muslims – Persians, Turks, and Byzantine
converts - have indeed led Islam for 1271 of its 1401 years (of
the ‘Prophet Muhammad era’), this Old Islam was not
ESTABLISHED by these whites, nor did THEM say that here. Old Islam
was established by Black Arabs who led the Ummah only for approximately
130 years of its 1401 year existence. THEM’s statement is
completely consistent with the historical record.
Quote 2 – Shaka again quotes THEM’s
famous Theology of Time statement that Prophet Muhammad was “a
white man”. I dealt with that quote in detail in the above
referenced article, “THEM on Prophet Muhammad,” so
there is no need to repeat that argument here, except to say that
this statement is, on the surface, isolated and in contradiction
to several statements made by THEM in:
Great acrobatics about Islam being "led"
by white people but not "established" by them.
Just like you say that Elijah Muhammad didn't say "there"
that Islam was ESTABLISHED by white people, Elijah
Muhammad did not say "there" that
Islam was established by Black people. And yes I reminded that
Elijah Muhammad said (in ENGLISH, not Arabic) "The
Muhammad that was here 1400 years ago was a white man..."
and for those who only read it, they can hear it from
Elijah Muhammad himself here. (August 1, 2012: video
unavailable due to my Youtube account terminated because Asiatic
Black Men flagged my videos)
1.] The Genesis Years, 1959-1962, 188: the original Arabs were
** This quote doesn't deal with
Muhammad Ibn Abdullah nor his time period.
The Genesis Years p.187-188:
"The Black and
white people, according to history,have always lived seperately
from each other. [...]
The earth was originally inhabited by the Black Man.
The white race, after their creation 6,000 years ago,
was given the part of earth today that is called Europe. It
is this raceof people who actually started the sin of intermixing
the two strange bloods, which is forbidden by God; just as they
have disregarded all Divine Laws of Allah (God). They even seem
to change the very natural laws of man in which he is made.
They first mixed with the original black Arabs, then,
as they traveled over the earth, for the past near 500 years,
they mixed with brown, yellow and red races.
As everyone can see in
the underline quotes (emphasis mine) from Elijah Muhammad,
he is talking here about 6,000 years ago when he mentions "original
black Arabs" just like he wrote that "the earth
was originally inhabited by the Black Man". One could
make the claim that since the earth was originally inhabited by
the Black Man, the original Europeans were Black (Grimaldi man),
this could not allow one to claim that Julius Cesar was Black
for that reason alone. Muhammad Ibn Abdullah's time period comes
over 600 years after the death of Julius Cesar, Julius Cesar's
time period comes 6000 years after the creation of the white race
according to Elijah Muhammad.**
2.] Pittsburgh Courier, Feb 2, 1957: Muhammad was A BLACK MAN
and a member of the Black Nation (which he specifically says consists
of Black, Brown, Red, and Yellow, not white)
This is very disingenuous for you to write
that Muhammad was "a Black Man" in capital letters,
because Elijah Muhammad never said so in his Feb 2. 1957 Pittsburg
Courier article (titled "Those
Who Live In Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones"). Let
me quote your own PDF article entitled "THEM on Prophet Muhammad"
"I have said before
in this column, ‘Muhammad was a member of the Black Nation,
and the white race by nature is against black man leadership,
regardless whether spiritual or political"
Elijah Muhammad never said here
that Muhammad was "A BLACK MAN" but only that he was
a member of the Black Nation. And indeed, just like you wrote
above, Elijah Muhammad said that the Black Nation consists of
Black, Brown, Red and Yellow men:
The Genesis Years p.101:
"Any man that is brown, yellow, red or coal black is
a member of the black nation."
The True History of Master Fard Muhammad:
"The only people who are not members of the Black Nation
are the white race."
Chinese people are not part of
the White Race, will you claim that Bruce Lee was "A BLACK
MAN" ? **
3.] “Truth is Confirmed,” 434: Muhammad was dark-skinned
(tanned? Really, Shaka?) and a BLACK PROPHET.
** Dark-skinned doesn't mean Black.
A Spanish man or Italian man could be described
as "Dark-skinned" in contrast to a German or Russian
4.] MTTBM, 92-93: Allah and Prophet Muhammad are Black God and
Black prophet rejected by white race
I believe "MTTBM"
stands for "Message To The Black Man", and that "92-93"
are the page numbers. I have an electronic copy (PDF) so the page
numbers are probably not the same but searches did not lead me
to anywhere that says that Muhammad is a "Black prophet",
the closest I found to Wesley's quotation (or is it paraphrasing?)
"The white race does not like to worship a black
god and his prophets."
Unless the quote is to be found elsewhere,
so far it mentions "a black god" but it says
"and his prophets" it doesn't say that the
prophets are black and doesn't mention Muhammad.
I even asked people to locate this
statement but they have yet to point it out...
(link no longer valid since my account
was deleted because of systematic flagging from Asiatic Black
5.] “The History of Jesus,” Pittsburgh Courier August
3, 1957, p. A6: Muhammad of 1400 years ago rekindled the light
of Islam among the original Black Arabs (not white).
I might as well state for the record that
the way that Dr. Wesley Muhammad's text is transcribed here is
the same way it was sent to me. I only added some URL's (links)
and of course my replies (Shaka-Ndugu-KMT) are in green. I was
told that Wesley Muhammad's text
was published as a "note" on Facebook only available
for viewing to his "friends" (contacts).
I have not logged in to Facebook for about
a year, the text was sent to me by some brothers on Afrikan
Truth. I believe that "p. A6"
is in fact a typo, that what is meant is page 6.
However I do not see the above statement (No. 5) on page 6 and
on the following page (The "History of Jesus"
Article No. 3 August 3, 1957 - THE BLACK
STONE) it says:
"Muhammad turned on the light (Islam) in the ancient
house (Arab Nation) that had burned low since the time of Ibrahim
(Abraham) and cleaned it up for the reception of a much brighter
light of the Mahdi (Allah in the Person) and His people, which
will come from the West out of the house of the infidels."
My version is published by Messenger
Elijah Muhammad Propagation
The ISBN is # 1-884855-07-5
I did not see "original Black Arabs"
written in this August 3, 1957 No. 3 (Black Stone) article which
starts on page 6 and ends on page 7.
6.] Muhammad Speaks, Nov 19, 1965: A pictorial depiction of Umar
and the early Muslims as Alack Arabs
7.] Muhammad Speaks, Nov 26, 1965: A pictorial depiction of Umar
and the Early Muslims INCLUDING PROPHET MUHAMMAD, as Black Arabs.
8.] Muhammad Speaks, Dec 24, 1965: pictorial depiction of the
early Islamic heroine Khawla bint al-Azwar, from the Arab tribe
Banu Assad, and other Arabs as Black Arabs.
9.] Muhammad Speaks, August 3, 1973: 14 months after THEM’s
June 1972 Theology of Time lecture, there was republished the
depiction of a Black Prophet Muhammad surrounded by his Black
** In the "Michigan Today" (University
of Michigan) Vol. 23, No. 1, Feb. 1991, Philip
Emeagwali was portrayed as a white man (click here) even
though the illustrator knew very well that Emeagwali is Black.
Elijah Muhammad clearly said that Prophet Muhammad was "A
The Theology of Time
“I am Elijah of your Bible. I am the Muhammad of your
Holy Qur’an; not the Muhammad that was here 1,400 years
ago. I am the one whom the Holy Qur’an is referring. The
Muhammad that was here 1,400 years ago was a white man;
then they put up a sign of the real Muhammad." (emphasis
mine : click
here for the audio)
You all need to STOP acting like THEM only said
one thing – the ‘white man’ statement - and
that this represents his ‘position’. How does that
singular statement relate to all of the above? I don’t know,
nor does anyone else. I have offered my informed opinion in the
above article, “THEM On Prophet Muhammad.” I believe
it can all be harmonized, but only when read in the context of
the Classical Arabic tradition and the empirical data. Those who
reject the evidence of the data and the Classical Arabic tradition
as a proper context to understand this apparent blatant contradiction,
are left only with the contradiction. Good luck with that. I’m
an historian, so I will always privilege demonstrable facts over
religious ambiguity and contradiction.
** "All of the above" from Wesley
Muhammad is a failed attempt at misleading the readers into thinking
that being part of the "Black Nation" makes one a "Black
Man". However, the "Black Nation" includes the
Yellow man, the Red man and the Brown man, according to Elijah.**
Quote 3 – In “The History of Jesus” THEM says:
“ The Aboriginal Egyptians are people of the black nation,
and even the modern people of Egypt – in fact, all original
Asiatic people are of the black nation.”
Poor Shaka thinks that this means that THEM has admitted some
whites (Caucasians) into the Black Nation. But this is not so.
The modern Egyptians are most definitely members of the Black
Nation. They are not Caucasians. MAny are the result of the invading
whites mixing with the local Black population and are thus Mulatto.
However, most Egyptians today are still dark-skinned, like the
They are thus clearly members of the Black Nation, being even
darker than the Japanese, whop are members of the Black Nation.
While Mubarak is the most popular ‘face’ of the modern
Egyptian, he does not represent the masses of the modern indigenous
Egyptians (fellahin, Copts).
Dr. Wesley Muhammad says that the modern
Egyptians and the Japanese are members of the Black Nation, it
is duly noted.
Shaka Ndugu Kemet is an Internet Scholar and Youtube Banger who
has put in no work in the real word. His ‘scholarship’
is pathetically shabby and deceptive, just like that of virtually
all Internet Scholars.
Dr. Wesley Muhammad, I (Shaka-Ndugu-KMT)
do teach just like John Henrik Clarke
for example, you labelling me a "Youtube
Banger" is only an attempt to diminish my impact like you
tried to do when you addressed me back in 2010
(August 1, 2012: video unavailable due
to my Youtube account terminated because Asiatic Black Men flagged
my videos). If my scholarship is deceptive, how bad
is yours when you willingly lie to a live audience
Isn't it ironic that you find it "unfortunate"
that the "Youtube Banger" is in France ?
Not only you, Dr. Wesley Muhammad (PhD), "would actually
debate" me but you would
"love to have a formal, public discussion"
with Shaka-Ndugu-KMT the "Internet Scholar"...
Shaka-Ndugu-KMT has been running Afrostyly ( http://www.afrostyly.com/english
) since April 2004 (before Facebook, MySpace, Twitter & Youtube).
** = added March 17, 2013
Muhammad refuted by Shaka-Ndugu-KMT
Wesley Muhammad's 2nd article about Shaka-Ndugu-KMT
videos about Wesley Muhammad